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[[Image:LPOD-Mar8-08.jpg|LPOD-Mar8-08.jpg]]<br /> ''image by [mailto:thefamily90@hotmail.com Jim Phillips]''<br /> <br /> The floor of Ptolemaeus is famous for its shallow [http://www2.lpod.org/wiki/April_6,_2007 saucers]<nowiki> visible only with very low illumination. Albategnius is a much less known second [[|example]], and Jim's low Sun imaging has revealed a third nearby instance. In this case the crater is Flammarion, which in some ways is a half size version of Ptolemaeus. Its 75 km diameter is only half that of Ptolemeaus, and its angular outline, battered walls and flat-ish floor are good matches. The 13 km wide fresh crater Mösting A on the western wall of Flammarion provides a scale for the saucers within. The most conspicuous near the center of the floor is about 10 km in diameter, others are less distinct and smaller. All these saucers started out as impact craters pockmarking the floors of larger craters. The formation of the Imbrium basin broadcast ejecta over vast distances, and Ptolemaeus, Albategnius and Flammarion were close enough that their interiors were deeply filled with material that must have flowed almost like a liquid. Central peaks, terraces and random impacts that were on their floors were covered, and as the ejecta mass cooled it probably degassed and compacted, draping over the rims of buried craters, leaving ghostly reminders. These three large craters with saucered floors are clustered together - are there more saucers in other parts of Imbrium's ejecta? And were any saucers created by ejecta from Orientale?</nowiki><br /> <br /> ''Chuck Wood''<br /> <br /> '''Technical Details'''<br /> Feb 16, 2008. TMB 8" F/9<br /> <br /> '''Related Links'''<br /> Rükl plate 44<br /> Flammarion times [http://www2.lpod.org/wiki/August_15,_2004 two]<br /> <br /> '''! Alert !'''<br /> I will be at the [http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2008/ Lunar & Planetary Science Conference] from March 9 through March 15. Rather than reprinting LPOD classics I invite LPOD readers to [[How%20to%20Create%20an%20LPOD%20Page|contribute]] daily LPODs for March 10 through March 16. See the [[LPOD%20Index|LPOD Index]] page for details on how to submit your LPOD.<br /> <br /> | [[Image:LPOD-Mar8-08.jpg|LPOD-Mar8-08.jpg]]<br /> ''image by [mailto:thefamily90@hotmail.com Jim Phillips]''<br /> <br /> The floor of Ptolemaeus is famous for its shallow [http://www2.lpod.org/wiki/April_6,_2007 saucers]<nowiki> visible only with very low illumination. Albategnius is a much less known second [[|example]], and Jim's low Sun imaging has revealed a third nearby instance. In this case the crater is Flammarion, which in some ways is a half size version of Ptolemaeus. Its 75 km diameter is only half that of Ptolemeaus, and its angular outline, battered walls and flat-ish floor are good matches. The 13 km wide fresh crater Mösting A on the western wall of Flammarion provides a scale for the saucers within. The most conspicuous near the center of the floor is about 10 km in diameter, others are less distinct and smaller. All these saucers started out as impact craters pockmarking the floors of larger craters. The formation of the Imbrium basin broadcast ejecta over vast distances, and Ptolemaeus, Albategnius and Flammarion were close enough that their interiors were deeply filled with material that must have flowed almost like a liquid. Central peaks, terraces and random impacts that were on their floors were covered, and as the ejecta mass cooled it probably degassed and compacted, draping over the rims of buried craters, leaving ghostly reminders. These three large craters with saucered floors are clustered together - are there more saucers in other parts of Imbrium's ejecta? And were any saucers created by ejecta from Orientale?</nowiki><br /> <br /> ''Chuck Wood''<br /> <br /> '''Technical Details'''<br /> Feb 16, 2008. TMB 8" F/9<br /> <br /> '''Related Links'''<br /> Rükl plate 44<br /> Flammarion times [http://www2.lpod.org/wiki/August_15,_2004 two]<br /> <br /> '''! Alert !'''<br /> I will be at the [http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2008/ Lunar & Planetary Science Conference] from March 9 through March 15. Rather than reprinting LPOD classics I invite LPOD readers to [[How%20to%20Create%20an%20LPOD%20Page|contribute]] daily LPODs for March 10 through March 16. See the [[LPOD%20Index|LPOD Index]] page for details on how to submit your LPOD.<br /> <br /> | ||
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| − | '''COMMENTS'''<br /> To [[LPOD%20Comments|post comments]] regarding this LPOD, please click [http://the-moon.us/wiki/page/edit/LPOD%20Mar%208%2C%202008 here] and enter your text in the space below. You will not see the Edit tab unless you register for the wiki. ''Please do not edit the LPOD itself!''<br /> <br /> (1) There is a problem of some kind with the Wiki website. Since yesterday, every time I click on the "LPOD Index" it produces an error message that closes my browser and knocks me offline. (??) My browser is AT&T Yahoo. It works fine on all other sites.<br /> <br /> --Bill<br /> <br /> (2) Bill - I don't have that problem and the code looks OK. But maybe Jim Mosher or someone else can check to see if something inadvertently changed when I entered the March 7 LPOD Index link.<br /> Chuck<br /> <br /> (3) Thanks, Chuck. Hope your conference goes well. With all the exploration going on, this must be busy and exciting times for lunar & planetary science professionals.<br /> <br /> By the way, I found an article on the origin of the Moon written by a professor at the University of Hawaii that answered my questions about volatile elements, etc. As an amateur, I'm enjoying becoming a student again and learning these things. Since I'm mostly retired now, I fortunately have the time available.<br /> <br /> --Bill<br /> <br /> (4) I don't see anything wrong with the [[LPOD%20Index|LPOD Index]]. Are others having this probem?<br /> <br /> Regarding today's LPOD, the Ptolemaeus-like lumpiness on the floor of [[Flammarion|Flammarion]] (including the central dimple) is confirmed by the slightly lower Sun view of ''[[Consolidated%20Lunar%20Atlas|Consolidated Lunar Atlas]]'' Plate [http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/cla/info/e12/ E12]. I don't know about the [[Mare%20Orientale|Orientale area]], but not straying too far from here, the floor of [[Hipparchus|Hipparchus]] seems to me to have a similarly dimpled appearance at low Sun, as can be seen by comparing ''CLA'' plates [http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/cla/info/e10/ E10] and [http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/cla/info/e13/ E13]. [[Lunar%20Missions|Ranger IX]] photo [http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/ranger/frame/?msn=9&cam=B&plt=1 B001] confirms the bowl-like shape of the largest of the dimples: the interior of the flooded 28-km diameter crater on the western floor of Hipparchus, which in many ways seems like a larger echo of Ptolemaeus B (the prominent "saucer" in the north part of [[Ptolemaeus|Ptolemaeus]]).<br /> <br /> <span class="membersnap">- | + | '''COMMENTS'''<br /> To [[LPOD%20Comments|post comments]] regarding this LPOD, please click [http://the-moon.us/wiki/page/edit/LPOD%20Mar%208%2C%202008 here] and enter your text in the space below. You will not see the Edit tab unless you register for the wiki. ''Please do not edit the LPOD itself!''<br /> <br /> (1) There is a problem of some kind with the Wiki website. Since yesterday, every time I click on the "LPOD Index" it produces an error message that closes my browser and knocks me offline. (??) My browser is AT&T Yahoo. It works fine on all other sites.<br /> <br /> --Bill<br /> <br /> (2) Bill - I don't have that problem and the code looks OK. But maybe Jim Mosher or someone else can check to see if something inadvertently changed when I entered the March 7 LPOD Index link.<br /> Chuck<br /> <br /> (3) Thanks, Chuck. Hope your conference goes well. With all the exploration going on, this must be busy and exciting times for lunar & planetary science professionals.<br /> <br /> By the way, I found an article on the origin of the Moon written by a professor at the University of Hawaii that answered my questions about volatile elements, etc. As an amateur, I'm enjoying becoming a student again and learning these things. Since I'm mostly retired now, I fortunately have the time available.<br /> <br /> --Bill<br /> <br /> (4) I don't see anything wrong with the [[LPOD%20Index|LPOD Index]]. Are others having this probem?<br /> <br /> Regarding today's LPOD, the Ptolemaeus-like lumpiness on the floor of [[Flammarion|Flammarion]] (including the central dimple) is confirmed by the slightly lower Sun view of ''[[Consolidated%20Lunar%20Atlas|Consolidated Lunar Atlas]]'' Plate [http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/cla/info/e12/ E12]. I don't know about the [[Mare%20Orientale|Orientale area]], but not straying too far from here, the floor of [[Hipparchus|Hipparchus]] seems to me to have a similarly dimpled appearance at low Sun, as can be seen by comparing ''CLA'' plates [http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/cla/info/e10/ E10] and [http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/cla/info/e13/ E13]. [[Lunar%20Missions|Ranger IX]] photo [http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/ranger/frame/?msn=9&cam=B&plt=1 B001] confirms the bowl-like shape of the largest of the dimples: the interior of the flooded 28-km diameter crater on the western floor of Hipparchus, which in many ways seems like a larger echo of Ptolemaeus B (the prominent "saucer" in the north part of [[Ptolemaeus|Ptolemaeus]]).<br /> <br /> <span class="membersnap">- Jim Mosher</span><br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> </div> |
Latest revision as of 15:57, 15 April 2018
NOT FLYING
image by Jim Phillips
The floor of Ptolemaeus is famous for its shallow saucers visible only with very low illumination. Albategnius is a much less known second [[|example]], and Jim's low Sun imaging has revealed a third nearby instance. In this case the crater is Flammarion, which in some ways is a half size version of Ptolemaeus. Its 75 km diameter is only half that of Ptolemeaus, and its angular outline, battered walls and flat-ish floor are good matches. The 13 km wide fresh crater Mösting A on the western wall of Flammarion provides a scale for the saucers within. The most conspicuous near the center of the floor is about 10 km in diameter, others are less distinct and smaller. All these saucers started out as impact craters pockmarking the floors of larger craters. The formation of the Imbrium basin broadcast ejecta over vast distances, and Ptolemaeus, Albategnius and Flammarion were close enough that their interiors were deeply filled with material that must have flowed almost like a liquid. Central peaks, terraces and random impacts that were on their floors were covered, and as the ejecta mass cooled it probably degassed and compacted, draping over the rims of buried craters, leaving ghostly reminders. These three large craters with saucered floors are clustered together - are there more saucers in other parts of Imbrium's ejecta? And were any saucers created by ejecta from Orientale?
Chuck Wood
Technical Details
Feb 16, 2008. TMB 8" F/9
Related Links
Rükl plate 44
Flammarion times two
! Alert !
I will be at the Lunar & Planetary Science Conference from March 9 through March 15. Rather than reprinting LPOD classics I invite LPOD readers to contribute daily LPODs for March 10 through March 16. See the LPOD Index page for details on how to submit your LPOD.
COMMENTS
To post comments regarding this LPOD, please click here and enter your text in the space below. You will not see the Edit tab unless you register for the wiki. Please do not edit the LPOD itself!
(1) There is a problem of some kind with the Wiki website. Since yesterday, every time I click on the "LPOD Index" it produces an error message that closes my browser and knocks me offline. (??) My browser is AT&T Yahoo. It works fine on all other sites.
--Bill
(2) Bill - I don't have that problem and the code looks OK. But maybe Jim Mosher or someone else can check to see if something inadvertently changed when I entered the March 7 LPOD Index link.
Chuck
(3) Thanks, Chuck. Hope your conference goes well. With all the exploration going on, this must be busy and exciting times for lunar & planetary science professionals.
By the way, I found an article on the origin of the Moon written by a professor at the University of Hawaii that answered my questions about volatile elements, etc. As an amateur, I'm enjoying becoming a student again and learning these things. Since I'm mostly retired now, I fortunately have the time available.
--Bill
(4) I don't see anything wrong with the LPOD Index. Are others having this probem?
Regarding today's LPOD, the Ptolemaeus-like lumpiness on the floor of Flammarion (including the central dimple) is confirmed by the slightly lower Sun view of Consolidated Lunar Atlas Plate E12. I don't know about the Orientale area, but not straying too far from here, the floor of Hipparchus seems to me to have a similarly dimpled appearance at low Sun, as can be seen by comparing CLA plates E10 and E13. Ranger IX photo B001 confirms the bowl-like shape of the largest of the dimples: the interior of the flooded 28-km diameter crater on the western floor of Hipparchus, which in many ways seems like a larger echo of Ptolemaeus B (the prominent "saucer" in the north part of Ptolemaeus).
- Jim Mosher
