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[[Image:LPOD-Apr7-08.jpg|LPOD-Apr7-08.jpg]]<br /> ''image by [mailto:bart.declercq@gmail.com Bart Declercq]''<br /> <br />  The mare lavas that fill impact basins typically are cut by rilles near their shores. Humorum and Serenitatis are famous examples, but all the main nearside circular basin mare have concentric rilles except for Crisium and Nectaris. Oops, now Nectaris does to, maybe. The center of attention of Bart's image of the eastern side of Mare Nectaris is the floor-fractured crater [/Bohnenberger Bohnenberger]. The adjacent Pyrenees Mts are one of the inner rings of the Nectaris Basin, and the lavas east (right) of that fill the moat between rings. But this may be the discovery image for two narrow rilles on the mare just above the simple crater F that sits on a mountain north of the namesake Bohnenberg. The rilles extend about 20 km and then become fainter, diverge and disappear after an additional 15 km. There is a hint that one rille cuts the mountain mass and extends a few kilometers south of F. The rilles are confirmed on Lunar Orbiter IV-65-H2, although it is necessary to enhance the online [http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/lunarorbiter/images/preview/4065_h2.jpg image] to clearly see them. It has been thought that Nectaris does not have circumferential rilles because the maria is too thin to cause subsidence of the basin floor, and bending at the edges that makes the rilles. Bart's small rilles suggests that we should look carefully for any others that may have been overlooked!<br /> <br /> ''Chuck Wood''<br /> <br /> '''Technical Details'''<br />  Sept 30, 2007, 3:30 UT. C9.25+DMK camera<br />  Note: Having seen the rilles on Bart's image it is possible to faintly detect them on [http://www2.lpod.org/wiki/December_17,_2006 this] slightly higher Sun view. Does anyone else have images of them?<br /> <br /> '''Related Links'''<br />  Rükl plate 58<br />  Bart's [http://bartcentral.dommel.be/index.html website]<br /> <br />
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[[Image:LPOD-Apr7-08.jpg|LPOD-Apr7-08.jpg]]<br /> ''image by [mailto:bart.declercq@gmail.com Bart Declercq]''<br /> <br />  The mare lavas that fill impact basins typically are cut by rilles near their shores. Humorum and Serenitatis are famous examples, but all the main nearside circular basin mare have concentric rilles except for Crisium and Nectaris. Oops, now Nectaris does to, maybe. The center of attention of Bart's image of the eastern side of Mare Nectaris is the floor-fractured crater [[Bohnenberger|Bohnenberger]]. The adjacent Pyrenees Mts are one of the inner rings of the Nectaris Basin, and the lavas east (right) of that fill the moat between rings. But this may be the discovery image for two narrow rilles on the mare just above the simple crater F that sits on a mountain north of the namesake Bohnenberg. The rilles extend about 20 km and then become fainter, diverge and disappear after an additional 15 km. There is a hint that one rille cuts the mountain mass and extends a few kilometers south of F. The rilles are confirmed on Lunar Orbiter IV-65-H2, although it is necessary to enhance the online [http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/lunarorbiter/images/preview/4065_h2.jpg image] to clearly see them. It has been thought that Nectaris does not have circumferential rilles because the maria is too thin to cause subsidence of the basin floor, and bending at the edges that makes the rilles. Bart's small rilles suggests that we should look carefully for any others that may have been overlooked!<br /> <br /> ''Chuck Wood''<br /> <br /> '''Technical Details'''<br />  Sept 30, 2007, 3:30 UT. C9.25+DMK camera<br />  Note: Having seen the rilles on Bart's image it is possible to faintly detect them on [http://www2.lpod.org/wiki/December_17,_2006 this] slightly higher Sun view. Does anyone else have images of them?<br /> <br /> '''Related Links'''<br />  Rükl plate 58<br />  Bart's [http://bartcentral.dommel.be/index.html website]<br /> <br />
 
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'''COMMENTS'''<br />  To [/LPOD%20Comments post comments] regarding this LPOD, please click [http://the-moon.us/wiki/page/edit/LPOD%20Apr%207%2C%202008 here] and enter your text in the space below. You will not see the Edit tab unless you register for the wiki. ''Please do not edit the LPOD itself!''<br /> <br />  (1) If lava deposits on the western shore of Nectaris are thicker (~1500m) than the eastern shore (~1000m), would this additional (western) mass have not a greater pull-effect on the eastern side and, hence, the rilles we see? Or, am I wrong on this; where even the western mass in Nectaris still isn't thick enough to produce concentric rilles?<br />  John -- www.moonposter.ie<br />  Moon missions -- www.moonposter.ie/missions.htm<br />  Moon News -- [http://www.moonposter.ie/news.htm www.moonposter.ie/news.htm]<br /> <br />  (2) John - I don't know how thick a mare has to be to cause subsidence. Fracastorius formed on the sloping northern edge of Mare Nectaris and its southern rim is gone and the crater has been invaded by mare lava. And then the lava cracked, perhaps because of subsidence. There may have been some, but not enough to produce abundant rilles.<br />  Chuck<br /> <br />  (3) Chuck - These rilles are maybe clearer in [http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/lunarorbiter/frame/?4072 Lunar Orbiter IV-072] (than in the LO photo you reference). It removes any doubt about the right-hand rille (0.6-1.0 km wide) cutting through the hill on the left of Bohnenberger F and extending to the south where, although it peters out, it seems headed in the direction of the similar, but wider, rift (also visible in Bart's image) in the hill on the NW edge of Bohnenberger. As you undoubtedly noticed Bohnenberger A (the older crater below of the floor-fractured one), has a similar-sized and oriented, but probably unrelated, linear groove on its floor (also easily seen in Bart's picture); as well as fine wavy ones similar to some seen in its more picturesque companion to the north.<br /> <br />  Using Photoshop to browse around the remainder of Nectaris' shore in LO-IV-072 and in the adjacent panel, [http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/lunarorbiter/frame/?4077 LO-IV-077] (which shows the western half of Nectaris at comparable resolution), I don't notice any other circumferential cracks similar to these (although [/Fracastorius Fracastorius] has similar ones on its extreme eastern shore, but circumferential to itself rather than Nectaris). And I don't quite understand your answer to John: is the much more prominent jagged rille that runs E-W across Fracastorius another example of a Nectaris subsidence crack, or is it subsidence within Fracastorius alone?.<br /> <br />  In view of the good LO coverage, it seems unlikely Earth-based images are going to reveal more cracks in Nectaris; but Mare Crisium was not as successfully imaged by Lunar Orbiter. Maybe the new space missions will show cracks similar to these in Crisium, and, as you suggest, their closers look will reveal still narrower ones in Nectaris.<br /> <br />  -- Jim Mosher<br /> <br /> <br />
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'''COMMENTS'''<br />  To [[LPOD%20Comments|post comments]] regarding this LPOD, please click [http://the-moon.us/wiki/page/edit/LPOD%20Apr%207%2C%202008 here] and enter your text in the space below. You will not see the Edit tab unless you register for the wiki. ''Please do not edit the LPOD itself!''<br /> <br />  (1) If lava deposits on the western shore of Nectaris are thicker (~1500m) than the eastern shore (~1000m), would this additional (western) mass have not a greater pull-effect on the eastern side and, hence, the rilles we see? Or, am I wrong on this; where even the western mass in Nectaris still isn't thick enough to produce concentric rilles?<br />  John -- www.moonposter.ie<br />  Moon missions -- www.moonposter.ie/missions.htm<br />  Moon News -- [http://www.moonposter.ie/news.htm www.moonposter.ie/news.htm]<br /> <br />  (2) John - I don't know how thick a mare has to be to cause subsidence. Fracastorius formed on the sloping northern edge of Mare Nectaris and its southern rim is gone and the crater has been invaded by mare lava. And then the lava cracked, perhaps because of subsidence. There may have been some, but not enough to produce abundant rilles.<br />  Chuck<br /> <br />  (3) Chuck - These rilles are maybe clearer in [http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/lunarorbiter/frame/?4072 Lunar Orbiter IV-072] (than in the LO photo you reference). It removes any doubt about the right-hand rille (0.6-1.0 km wide) cutting through the hill on the left of Bohnenberger F and extending to the south where, although it peters out, it seems headed in the direction of the similar, but wider, rift (also visible in Bart's image) in the hill on the NW edge of Bohnenberger. As you undoubtedly noticed Bohnenberger A (the older crater below of the floor-fractured one), has a similar-sized and oriented, but probably unrelated, linear groove on its floor (also easily seen in Bart's picture); as well as fine wavy ones similar to some seen in its more picturesque companion to the north.<br /> <br />  Using Photoshop to browse around the remainder of Nectaris' shore in LO-IV-072 and in the adjacent panel, [http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/lunarorbiter/frame/?4077 LO-IV-077] (which shows the western half of Nectaris at comparable resolution), I don't notice any other circumferential cracks similar to these (although [[Fracastorius|Fracastorius]] has similar ones on its extreme eastern shore, but circumferential to itself rather than Nectaris). And I don't quite understand your answer to John: is the much more prominent jagged rille that runs E-W across Fracastorius another example of a Nectaris subsidence crack, or is it subsidence within Fracastorius alone?.<br /> <br />  In view of the good LO coverage, it seems unlikely Earth-based images are going to reveal more cracks in Nectaris; but Mare Crisium was not as successfully imaged by Lunar Orbiter. Maybe the new space missions will show cracks similar to these in Crisium, and, as you suggest, their closers look will reveal still narrower ones in Nectaris.<br /> <br />  -- Jim Mosher<br /> <br /> <br />
 
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Latest revision as of 14:54, 15 April 2018

TWO NEW RILLES?

LPOD-Apr7-08.jpg
image by Bart Declercq

The mare lavas that fill impact basins typically are cut by rilles near their shores. Humorum and Serenitatis are famous examples, but all the main nearside circular basin mare have concentric rilles except for Crisium and Nectaris. Oops, now Nectaris does to, maybe. The center of attention of Bart's image of the eastern side of Mare Nectaris is the floor-fractured crater Bohnenberger. The adjacent Pyrenees Mts are one of the inner rings of the Nectaris Basin, and the lavas east (right) of that fill the moat between rings. But this may be the discovery image for two narrow rilles on the mare just above the simple crater F that sits on a mountain north of the namesake Bohnenberg. The rilles extend about 20 km and then become fainter, diverge and disappear after an additional 15 km. There is a hint that one rille cuts the mountain mass and extends a few kilometers south of F. The rilles are confirmed on Lunar Orbiter IV-65-H2, although it is necessary to enhance the online image to clearly see them. It has been thought that Nectaris does not have circumferential rilles because the maria is too thin to cause subsidence of the basin floor, and bending at the edges that makes the rilles. Bart's small rilles suggests that we should look carefully for any others that may have been overlooked!

Chuck Wood

Technical Details
Sept 30, 2007, 3:30 UT. C9.25+DMK camera
Note: Having seen the rilles on Bart's image it is possible to faintly detect them on this slightly higher Sun view. Does anyone else have images of them?

Related Links
Rükl plate 58
Bart's website


COMMENTS
To post comments regarding this LPOD, please click here and enter your text in the space below. You will not see the Edit tab unless you register for the wiki. Please do not edit the LPOD itself!

(1) If lava deposits on the western shore of Nectaris are thicker (~1500m) than the eastern shore (~1000m), would this additional (western) mass have not a greater pull-effect on the eastern side and, hence, the rilles we see? Or, am I wrong on this; where even the western mass in Nectaris still isn't thick enough to produce concentric rilles?
John -- www.moonposter.ie
Moon missions -- www.moonposter.ie/missions.htm
Moon News -- www.moonposter.ie/news.htm

(2) John - I don't know how thick a mare has to be to cause subsidence. Fracastorius formed on the sloping northern edge of Mare Nectaris and its southern rim is gone and the crater has been invaded by mare lava. And then the lava cracked, perhaps because of subsidence. There may have been some, but not enough to produce abundant rilles.
Chuck

(3) Chuck - These rilles are maybe clearer in Lunar Orbiter IV-072 (than in the LO photo you reference). It removes any doubt about the right-hand rille (0.6-1.0 km wide) cutting through the hill on the left of Bohnenberger F and extending to the south where, although it peters out, it seems headed in the direction of the similar, but wider, rift (also visible in Bart's image) in the hill on the NW edge of Bohnenberger. As you undoubtedly noticed Bohnenberger A (the older crater below of the floor-fractured one), has a similar-sized and oriented, but probably unrelated, linear groove on its floor (also easily seen in Bart's picture); as well as fine wavy ones similar to some seen in its more picturesque companion to the north.

Using Photoshop to browse around the remainder of Nectaris' shore in LO-IV-072 and in the adjacent panel, LO-IV-077 (which shows the western half of Nectaris at comparable resolution), I don't notice any other circumferential cracks similar to these (although Fracastorius has similar ones on its extreme eastern shore, but circumferential to itself rather than Nectaris). And I don't quite understand your answer to John: is the much more prominent jagged rille that runs E-W across Fracastorius another example of a Nectaris subsidence crack, or is it subsidence within Fracastorius alone?.

In view of the good LO coverage, it seems unlikely Earth-based images are going to reveal more cracks in Nectaris; but Mare Crisium was not as successfully imaged by Lunar Orbiter. Maybe the new space missions will show cracks similar to these in Crisium, and, as you suggest, their closers look will reveal still narrower ones in Nectaris.

-- Jim Mosher